{"title": "A Woman's and a Man's Euros | Mikael Vuorinen | Negotiator 106", "titleOriginal": "Naisen ja miehen eurot | Mikael Vuorinen | Neuvottelija 106", "episodeNumber": "106", "guest": "Mikael Vuorinen", "publishedAt": "2021-11-07", "duration": "34:01", "durationIso": "PT34M1S", "youtube": "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGYBZtNSBT4", "fiCanonical": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/fi/episodes/124-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen-neuvottelija-106", "originalLanguage": "fi", "format": "full", "topics": ["free_speech_society", "finnish_economy_policy"], "description": "Mikael Vuorinen, an industrial engineering student at Aalto who runs a YouTube channel, unpacks contested questions in public debate through statistics, and the episode covers three of them. On the pay gap he accepts that a woman's euro is 83–84 cents when all earnings are added up, but says that comparing the same field, the same hours and the same weekend work leaves a gap of only a few cents. In the Africa Star row at the University of Helsinki his criticism is aimed at the student union, which in his view reinforced an exchange student's mistaken reading instead of defending its own members. He opposes Extinction Rebellion on two grounds: carbon neutrality by 2025 is unrealistic and even harmful, and civil disobedience in a democracy is a vote of no confidence in democratic means — though he concedes that breaking a specific unjust law has sometimes worked. The host offers his own emissions compensation as a counterweight and asks why bans and taxes are used so much more than market-based mechanisms.", "chapters": [{"t": "00:00", "title": "Same field, same hours: the gap is a few cents", "seconds": 0}, {"t": "01:45", "title": "Entrepreneurship within industrial engineering studies", "seconds": 105}, {"t": "03:50", "title": "Fact-based analysis as a channel format", "seconds": 230}, {"t": "05:11", "title": "The right comparison is same field and same hours", "seconds": 311}, {"t": "06:58", "title": "The equality paradox and STEM fields", "seconds": 418}, {"t": "08:17", "title": "Equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome", "seconds": 497}, {"t": "09:54", "title": "The Africa Star row: what happened", "seconds": 594}, {"t": "11:50", "title": "The row became a hobby horse for an ideological goal", "seconds": 710}, {"t": "14:38", "title": "The division of labour between Kurvinen and Marin", "seconds": 878}, {"t": "16:04", "title": "The realism of Extinction Rebellion's goals", "seconds": 964}, {"t": "17:28", "title": "Eija-Riitta Korhola and wicked problems in politics", "seconds": 1048}, {"t": "19:38", "title": "Bans and taxes versus market-based incentives", "seconds": 1178}, {"t": "20:57", "title": "Extinction Rebellion's second problem: civil disobedience", "seconds": 1257}, {"t": "23:04", "title": "When has breaking the law worked historically", "seconds": 1384}, {"t": "25:01", "title": "The Taistoist movement and what remained of it", "seconds": 1501}, {"t": "26:33", "title": "The narrow corridor: state and civil society", "seconds": 1593}, {"t": "27:59", "title": "The mainstream media's stance and its own agenda", "seconds": 1679}, {"t": "30:56", "title": "Community, feedback and conversation between bubbles", "seconds": 1856}, {"t": "32:29", "title": "Guests from the left for a dialogue format", "seconds": 1949}, {"t": "33:09", "title": "Closing words", "seconds": 1989}], "sourceTranscriptType": "macwhisper_srt", "subtitleMethod": "none", "provenance": "Owner page assembled from YouTube metadata, the neuvottelija.fi episode record and a MacWhisper transcription of the Finnish audio, upgraded on 18 October 2026. The chapter marks are the publisher's own, translated one for one; every mark was checked against the start of a transcript cue. About half a minute is missing from the transcription at 7:36–8:06. No transcript is published here: the channel has no English caption track for this episode. The guest runs a YouTube channel arguing a position in Finnish public debate and the episode is that position in his own words; nobody holding the opposing view on the pay gap, the Africa Star row or Extinction Rebellion is present. The statistical claims are his own readings of published research and the page does not verify them. Recorded 7 November 2021.", "coreTheses": ["The aggregate earnings ratio and the like-for-like comparison are two different measurements, and almost all public argument about the pay gap conflates them.", "Shrinking the gap to a few cents under controls does not settle the question — it relocates it to why the fields, hours and shifts differ, which Vuorinen reads as preference and the literature still disputes.", "The criticism of Extinction Rebellion is twofold — unrealistic goals and civil disobedience in a democracy — and Vuorinen himself concedes that breaking a specific law has historically worked.", "Market mechanisms are used far less than bans and taxes; the guest answers with individual incentives, but why the state reaches for bans first is left open."], "slug": "ep106-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen", "guestsCanonical": ["Mikael Vuorinen"], "guestPages": ["https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/guests/mikael-vuorinen/"], "page": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep106-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen/", "markdown": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/podcast/episodes/ep106-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen/index.md", "captions": null, "transcript": null, "videoId": "xGYBZtNSBT4", "dbId": null, "qaCoveragePct": 0.0, "qaSemanticVerdict": "transcript_timecoded", "aiArticleEn": "https://www.neuvottelija.com/ai/ep106-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen/", "aiArticleFi": "https://www.neuvottelija.fi/yhteiskunta/ep106-naisen-ja-miehen-eurot-mikael-vuorinen/"}